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Post by Froggy0705 on Oct 1, 2010 11:28:52 GMT -5
Ok i always wonder since Our Gang spent some time with laurel and hardy, i know stooges and rascals were different studios, but wonder if the kids got to see the stooges. Considering both the stooges and rascals lasted for the longest time. Anyone know who lasted longer?
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Post by mtw12055 on Oct 1, 2010 19:49:54 GMT -5
The Rascals were around from 1922-1944
The Stooges (counting their days with Ted Healey) went back to the early 1920s. The last official Stooge film (actually a TV pilot) as filmed in 1969. However, there were plans for more Stooge features during the early to mid 70s. The act offically ended in 1975 when Moe Howard passed away.
So in short, the Stooges lasted longer.
The closest I can think of to a Stooges-Rascals connection was that Sonny Bupp co-starred with the boys in their 1937 short "Cash and Carry".
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Post by littlerascal4891 on Oct 3, 2010 23:30:49 GMT -5
Wow, I never knew the Stooges lasted so long.
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Post by myhomeo on Oct 9, 2010 15:34:12 GMT -5
The Stooges were among the Classic Comedy Teams that were rediscovered by kids when their films were rerun on TV in the 50's and 60's. Unlike most of the others, however, they were in a position to do something about it, reviving the act for several more films of varying quality, a couple cartoon shows, some cameos in other films, there was even talk of opening a fast-food franchise.
Of course, one difficulty was that the original Curly had, even before the shorts ended, suffered a stroke and was no longer able to be in the act. He was replaced by Shemp, then by Curly Joe, but a lot of Stoogephiles consider him the classic.
Not a huge Stooge fan, I'm afraid. I admire their craftsmanship and am certainly not a naysayer, but their films weren't rerun on TV in my area so I never really got into them as a kid.
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Post by mtw12055 on Oct 9, 2010 17:56:41 GMT -5
The Stooge Line-Up: Ted Healy and his Stooges Ted Healy, Moe Howard, and (evenutally) Shemp Howard - (1922-1924) Ted Healy, Moe Howard (briefly absent), Larry Fine (briefly absent), Shemp Howard - (1925-1930) Ted Healey, Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Shemp Howard (1932) Ted Healey, Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Curly Howard, Bonnie Bonnell (1932-1934) Howard, Fine, and Howard: Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Shemp Howard, Jack Walsh (1931-1932) The Three Stooges: Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Curly Howard (1934-1947) Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Shemp Howard (1947-1955) (Shemp actually began standing in for Curly for live stage apperances as early as 1944 because of Curly's health). Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Joe Besser (1956-1958) Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Curly-Joe DeRita (1958-1971) Moe Howard, Curly-Joe DeRita, Emil Stika (the Stooges long-time foil, and one of the few actors to work with all six of the principal Stooges, Stika came in to play Larry's brother "Harry" in the act when Larry's health began to worsen; two films were planned with this line-up, but nothing ever developed outside of a few publicity photos) (1974). Other Relations: In 1956 Joe Palma, Shemp's stunt double, stood in for Shemp after his death for four shorts while stock footage of older shorts were used. After the original Stooges briefly left Ted Healy in 1931, Healy hired Paul "Mousie" Garner, Dick Hakins, and Jack Wolf as replacements. After Shemp's death, Moe and Larry were considering hiring African-American comic Mantan Moreland to join the act. After Joe Besser left the act, Larry suggested Paul "Mousie" Garner to join the act. Moe tried Garnder out, but felt he wasn't acceptable. Buddy Hackett once claimed that he was asked to be a Stooge, but decided to turn down the offer, feeling the act was too rough for him. Jules White said in an interview that Hackett was probably lying. And an interesting article on the 'final' Stooge movie (though they were never in it): anthonybalducci.blogspot.com/2009/01/three-stooges-go-to-heaven.html
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Post by Froggy0705 on Oct 12, 2010 16:55:02 GMT -5
I thought the stooges lasted longer. But the rascals are great! I don't think anything could ever replace the rascals or the stooges!!! Acting nowadays is just horrible!! least for the most part
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Post by zootmoney on Oct 12, 2010 18:32:06 GMT -5
"After the original Stooges briefly left Ted Healy in 1931, Healy hired Paul "Mousie" Garner, Dick Hakins, and Jack Wolf as replacements. "
These guys were also known as the Gentle Maniacs, and can be seen in the 1937 film, "Swing It, Professor," starring Pinky Tomlin and Mary Kornman.
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Post by mtw12055 on Oct 12, 2010 19:22:06 GMT -5
For quite some time, there has been talk about the Farrley Brothers making a new Stooges movie. I hope that this movie will never be made. And I also doubt that it will ever be made. Like the Rascals, nobody can replace the Stooges.
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Post by rascaLee on Jan 12, 2011 16:49:30 GMT -5
There are several Stooges-Hal Roach connections (though maybe not directly to Our Gang). Several of the Roach writers and directors went to Columbia after Roach shut down his shorts dept., and worked on the Stooges' shorts. Charley Chase wrote and directed many Stooges shorts, including "Mutts To You", which, if you watch it, is very close to the Hal Roach style. I sometimes think it's actually an Our Gang Comedy that happens to star the Three Stooges instead of the Rascals.
Coincidently, when the Stooges were still with Ted Healy, they did a stint at MGM, where they appeared in a handful of feature films, and starred in 5 two-reelers. I wonder how history would be different if MGM sent the boys to Hal Roach to make the two-reelers. By the way, one of the MGM features was "Hollywood Party" and features Laurel & Hardy. The two teams don't have any scenes together. The Stooges (just starting out in films) have a minute long scene in the first half of the movie, while L&H (at the peak of thier popularity) dominate the last half hour of the movie.
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Post by ymymeatemup on Jan 12, 2011 22:53:50 GMT -5
"Hollywood Party" - This one also had a nice cameo by Mickey Mouse, along with a cartoon short that was for-all-intents-and-purposes a Silly Symphony.
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Post by mtw12055 on Jan 15, 2011 16:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by mtw12055 on Jan 16, 2011 15:04:13 GMT -5
I brought this topic up to other Stooge fans, and most of them agree that Mantan would have made a much better Stooge than either of the two Joes. While I have nothing against any of the Stooges, I do believe that Moreland would have done wonders as part of the act. And kudos to Moe and the boys for not being afraid to use an African-American performer, despite the problems in America at the time. And I remember hearing from somebody that Moe never really cared much for Besser (though he never mentioned this publicly) because Besser wasn't a "team player". I never knew Moe's feelings towards Besser were so harsh. Maybe he was just having a bad day when he was interviewed.
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Post by rascaLee on Jan 17, 2011 17:26:39 GMT -5
I remember watching an "Addams Family" marathon on TVLand or somewhere, and thinking Jackie Coogan would have made a better Stooge than either of the two Joes.
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Post by mtw12055 on Feb 3, 2011 20:47:58 GMT -5
Here's a treat. The great Billy West doing the voices of Moe, Larry, and Curly-Joe in a parody of the various records the Stooges produced back in the 60s. Love the Shemp and Curly reference! www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iWLRyc-ing
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Post by rascalstooge on Dec 10, 2012 15:07:15 GMT -5
I wish someone would show the Rascals AND the Stooges. Although it's unlikely to happen, can you imagine, say, LMN-Lifetime's movie channel showing those [heh-heh] and reducing their dependence on women-as-victim films?
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